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HI ALL i DON`T THINK I HAVE MISSED THE POINT JANET I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT CHRYSLER WILL PAY AND IF THEY DO IT WILL BE A VERY LONG DRAWN OUT ISSUEI DO TAKE ON BOARD YOUR COMMENTS AND IF I AM PROVED WRONG THEN SO BE IT BUT I NEED TO TOW AND I AM GOING TO SUPPORT TOW TRUST WHO FOR ME HAVE GIVEN ALL KJ OWNERS A LIFE SAVER .I WILL BE CONTACTING CHRYSLER AND PUTTING PRESSURE ON THEM AS THEY HAVE IN THERE LAST EMAIL TO YOU THAT THEY WERE LOOKING INTO ALTERNATIVE TOW BAR....WHERE ARE THEY OR HAS THE PHONE GONE DEAD ......WE WILL SEE AND OF COURSE I ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHERS WOULD BE HAPPY FOR THEM TO PAY .........WISH YOU ALL THE BEST .......CHEERS PAUL TOW TRUST HAVE A .........NEW TOW BAR FOR THE KJ...........GET TOWING GET LEGAL...........EVERYONE .............
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HI All i must agree with Mike k comments who sums the package of worms up if you wish to wait on chrysler then so be it ,The fact that you have a tow bar available for a what i thinkis a very good price ( vehicle age and not in production) that exceeds the specs and is BRITISH MADE gets you legal .The work i did to find a tow bar maker who is prepared to take it on and find TOM at tow trust has done that and got it to the market is such a small space in time has to rewarded ....BUY IT...Where is chrysler ( ref janets last email looking for poss towbar source) they must be on the moon and for me are a i have said before dragging there feet.....THEY ARE NOT CONCERNED ......The vehicle you are driving wheter you tow or has lost a lot of its value and to replace it will cost a lot more than a tow bar.You can chase Chrysler after as i would be very surprized if they will pay for a tow bar anyway (they have reversed that issue in the states and fitted a get me by bar) In the uk ther are appoc 160,000 units that have been regristered take a % out and think how many are still out there and do the sums ,Thats some cost to chrysler and i really think there line of defence will be ..WE HAVE PUT THE VEHICLE INTO A SAFE STATE....and will try to throw the problem onto the after market tow bar makers.To date they have only pushed the MOPAR BAR and that does not meet uk standards ,So i really do not think it is the right road to go down chasing them whilst time is ticking and you cannot tow..I know where i am going and thats LEGAL ALL THE WAY.....SUPPORT BRITISH MADE TOW BAR..................................TOW TRUST IS YOUR ONLY CHOICE AND RIGHT PRICE .
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BREAKING NEWS...............BREAKING NEWS..............BREAKING NEWS...............BREAKING NEWS.................BREAKING NEWS.. Hi all I have this morning received the news that a NEW tow bar is going to be available in the new year from......TOW TRUST tow- bars who are gearing up for production in the NEW YEAR.I wish to thank TOM and all his staff at TOW TRUST for making the decision to go for it,We all have a aging vehicle and which is not in production, so this is a life saver to all of us KJ owners.I hope that you will SUPPORT this company .Tom and his staff listened and took on board the problem and have come to the table with a LEGAL offering.This is hopefully the final hop to all of us with the problem and we can move on .As we all know no corrective move from Chrysler has come out to date but only to fit the useless bar.Contact link below.. part number TCH1 State new tow bar .... It has taken a British company to sort the problem out ......fly the flag...........support TOM and TOW TRUST........ http://www.tow-trust.co.uk/towtrust_products/products/search/search:tch1 The decision is yours now ,but at least you now have one. :).remember this company has at least offered you a tow-bar and a LEGAL FIX ;) THANKS TO YOU ALL FOR HANGING IN THERE AND STAYING WITH ME .THANKS FOR READING THE FORUM ON THIS ISSUE.WITHOUT YOUR INPUT WE HAVE NO FORUM A BIG thank you to MOSES FOR GIVING US A PLATFORM TO SHARE OUR NEWS AND UPDATES ON JEEP ISSUES MAY IT CONTINUE AND KEEP READING AND ADDING ....CHEERS PAUL...HAPPY CHRISTMAS ONE AND AL
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hi all I have just returned from my trial fitting of a mk2 tow bar which exceeds the required measurements thus making it a LEGAL fitting,The bar will now go for testing under UK regulations and safety requirements., and this will hopefully be done for the new year at which point i will have more news and who is making it Please be patience till then ......we are winning a bit at a time. Hang in there ..........another move forward on killing this issue off has been achieved today.......I hope this again gives us all more conifdence Best wishes to you all for the festive season............
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hi all Nice to have a jeep tech on board and good news to hear that jeep are working on a fix ....funny how lont it has taken them when you consider how long they have known about it (USA)first now here and i don1t consider moving fuel tanks forward a proper fix at all.If this is the answer why has it taken so long to come up with it if it gets passed and if that is the final answer are they going to pay to have my tow bar refitted again .Seems a bit late in the day..It also appears different jeep dealers are checking different things ,as i was present when mine was done and there was a NO answer when the question was raised at the time and i was informed that this would be altering manufactures specs ....are all dealers on the same trip begs the question........ Cheers all ....hang in there ....it gets better all the time........no Constance method of checking......another interesting piece of information thanks paul
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hi all the tool which was used on my jeep (lollypop)only checked the distance between the rear of the tank and to nearest part of tow-bar.Thery inspect the rest to check for any jagged edges in and around tank and tow-bar.Having watched the check i am pretty sure that the distance is the most likley failure thus making all tow bars usless in the uk.Chrysler have altered the specs regarding distance of tow bar with new test (they reserve the right to alter vehicle specification without prior notice) All tow bars to date unless otherwise stated are made to old specifications,which makes then not fit for use Any tow bar being sold now (some on Ebay etc) would i think not be fitted by a fitter if they are made aware of the issue and posibly have no warranty either.I am hoping to have fresh news later this week with regard to LEGAL way out .Read my earlier notes on here and also what the email suppied by Janet (latest) from chrysler,which now make you think a bit Cheers to all ....Hang in there......we are having effect....may it be slow ........as said earleir we may get good new year news...........
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hi Not sure of whos expense as yet but its a step in the right direction and it will be legal.......the jeep at present has little value oN the open market and anything that will get the vehicle back to towing for me has to be checked. My jeep has only done 40,000 miles and is in mint condition ,it will be cheaper even if we have to pay than replacing it.Looking at Janet reply (latest) it appears jeep are looking into a replacement bar ...makes you think does it not.....With mine going for fitment check.................... WILL BE BACK WITH MORE NEWS AS I GET IT CHEERS EVERYONE ... JEEP I THINK ARE FEELING THE PRESSURE STAY WITH IT .WE ARE MOVING IN RIGHT DIRECTION
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hi all...back again with YES additional good news ..i taking my cherokee in next week for fitting check of a NEW MK2 tow-bar and if successful it will go for testing and saftey appoval,again i am at this stage unable to release who is going to do ths, please again bear with me we are all a bit closer to getting a legel way out and DON`T GIVE UP ....Again this news is getting better for all of us ...we may all have a new year wish ....hi hi.. Keep reading and adding your comments ..................I will report back next week as to how Iit goes BEST WISHES Paul
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Hi all...we all might have a get out of jail legal option in the new year.I cannot as yet release the imformation until i am sure it can be done .At present i am sure we will get there and due to this i have put of selling my worthless jeep .I will know more in the new yr fingers crossed,I ask you all to hold on for a while longer as i believe we will all gain from it .I hope this message will give you all some small relief for now ...I can only ask you all to hang in there ,as soon as i know you will be the first to know ............Don`t give up.......best wishes for the festive season...Paul
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hi all We may as yet have a legal fix for the towbar problem in the new year ,at present i cannot let out full details but i am hopeful of a result .because of this possible new legal get us all of the hook i am holding back from selling my jeep (not that it would be worth much)May i ask any one who is thinking down these lineS to hold of as you might have a great deal to gain.I am sorry i cannot let you all know but please take my word for the time being ,I will as soon as i can confirm the issue will be back here .....DON1T GIVE UP JUST YET PLEASE . I hope this gives you all a bit of possible relief and anyway our beloved jeeps are not worth much as they are ........Hope you all have a Merry Christmas and all of us a Happier new Year...................cheers paul......
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Hi all I have also been incontact with jeep again and given them a list of questions i wish answered also.I am also now looking at not taking the high road as i feel jeep are not really interested in getting the issue sorted there response times are slow to say the least to date.they have request my vin number which to date i have not given as i cannot see the reason for this given my vehicle has been done and it should be on record for .Again i will say that the number of towbar fitters who do not know of the issue is amazing indeed and we here in the uk do not have a towbar todate that will fit.I am not sure altering either tank position or towbar specs is not really advisable as you are going away from standard specs and this could result saftey and in insurance problems.I wish you luck janet ....................cheers paul ........................I am still going down the route of new towbar from somene who will make one ...........
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hi all well i recieved a reply to my email to Mr Steve Zanlunghi and the responseis they are looking into the issue at present.I will be emailing him again with additional questions and points regarding this recall .I had already accepted the fact that once this filtered into the trade nobody would wnat to bo buy the vehicle and that insurance companies would start to ask questions.I still go with the path of a new type of towbar being the answer and i will keep on down this path for the present.Chrysler to date as said before are dragging there feet but i again believe that its cost based in general.will keep you posted on any news from anywahere as i get it ....keep the comments coming .....don`t give up just yet Janet...... ps chrysler /fiat should remember .........We don`t have to buy metal ,but they have to sell to survive............You look after today for tomorrow. cheers all paul
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Hi all I have not received a email from a towbar fitting supplier who confirmed what i have said in my previous posts that there is at present no towbar that will fit the kj jeep under the new jeep test requirements. The bar fitted does have a tow hook attachment, but the bar is only for a protection and stiffening brace in the event of a rear end impact.I agree they could of made the assembly a proper tow bar, but costs come into all this at the end of the day and to date they have met the requirements to ensure a safe vehicle.The insurance companies are going to cover themselves in any event and as i have reported earlier we all really need a NEW TOWBAR which meets with VOSTA approval etc.Having got one in that does then hopefully try and get some compensation out of jeep to get it fitted etc...keep the comments coming ...we need to stay at it....... one final comment jeep yet again rang me here and again asked what i though of the sevice i had recieved to date........NO COMMENT..... CHEERS PAUL.........
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hi all ...Reading the post of the tank being moved forward by the mechanic makes you think anyway. When you also consider that 1/4 of a inch was a fail it makes you wonder (witter towbar) i spoke to a mot tester today (36 yrs. in the business) his comment was....why not a protective plate around the tank area (skid plate)? I will be taking my jeep in for mot on monday and will have a look when it is up on the ramp again and take some pics of the new bar fitted via jeep. Moses, I will be posting on here after the towbar issue has been sorted (I hope). You can pick up tips etc from other members and hopefully enjoy your jeep once again ......cheers all .......keep the posts coming on the towbar issue ......
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hi all I agree with the comments regarding the acceptance of the MOPAR by VOSA would be a ideal way out and again if jeep would supply and fit a MOPAR towbar free to all of us affected by the recall (more so the ones who have a towbar fitted or removed ).I think the cost to jeep would be more than they would be willing to accept as we are talking big numbers here alone in the uk and this is a world wide issue.The Witter bar does not meet the new measurements (1/4 OF INCH TO CLOSE) at present and thus all other bars as far as i have seen fail this test..i am hoping a tow bar maker will come up with the answer and thus keep the vehicle legal here in the uk .I have at present not a lot of faith in jeep to get this sorted other than what they have done to date, for a company as big as them they appear to me to be dragging there feet whilst the owners of the kj are left wanting to say the least.We all have to wait and hope they will do something.In the mean time i am running about WITHOUT a towbar and legal and if this matter is not resolved in time for me to start retowing my caravan i am afraid the JEEP will go ...........keep up the good work ........all of you .......cheers paul................. PS GREAT FORUM MOSES
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hi all answering moses question regarding uk sales,I can only inform moses that at time of purchase new 2005 my jeep was fitted with a witter tow bar by the dealer.I have been towing caravans for nearley 40 yrs and during this time since purchase have towed my caravans with no problem.All uk made towbar have to meet VOSA safety requirements and it costs in excess of £4000 to have the tests done.As i have said in my previous posts all towbars at present in the uk are rendered useless because of this distance to tank measurement which is conducted using what describe as a lolly pop. When i spoke to the main dealer manager where mine was done he did say that jeep were not going to say that UK after market tow bars were not fit for job as this would lead to all sorts of additional problems.Like Janet i have looked at purchasing a KIA and also like Janet have pushed jeep brand where ever i have been so that makes two fools at least out here.Jeep has always been sold in this country as a towing unit and that's why people like me and Janet bought the vehicle.I have also said in recent posts that the only person to show any interset in this problem is TOM at Tow trust tow bars who is in contact with VOSA regarding the issue.I still have my tow bar but as said before the Law comes into this now if you have been issued with a recall we are required to ensure our vehicle is safe to go on the roads (read my previous post). I also agree that because Fiat has bought into Jeep that any problems before their time are not really their concern from a legal point.I also have read forums and news items regarding how jeep was forced to call back kj in the states which for me does not give much credit to jeep, but at least they have bowed to pressure and made a move maybe not the right one at present for all kj owners.A final comment if you decide to sell what is it going to be worth (not a lot) where do you stand in law if.. 1) you have signed a wavier .. 2) you have not taken the car in for check (but you know about problem)WOULD YOU BUY A VEHICLE LIKE THE JEEP THAT CANNOT TOW? Jeep is now aware of this here in the UK and needs to step up to the mark and quick because i am sure the vehicle trade will if not already have got wind of this. Keep at Janet as i will ...keep reading ...cheers Paul
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Hi all With regard to Janet's concerns regarding insurance of the jeep , by having a crossbeam fitted at this point you keep the vehicle road safe which is a requirement by law in this country.Signing any wavers will make the insurance invalided not just on the vehicle but on any insured towed unit,further more there could be a case for a M.O.T failure as tow bars come into the testing if they are fitted.Due to jeep declaring a known problem and issuing a recall ,we in the UK at this point have not other course other than to have the bar removed at this point.to comply with the law All the tow bar makers and fitters I have spoken too have to date no idea of the problem .I have to admit that the issue regarding diesel jeeps has some merit but the issue is distance to tank and the possibility of puncture etc.I have had my bar removed and beam fitted ,now it is up to jeep to come up with a better solution which i at present have no faith in due to the overall response from them.I think we may have a chance with VOSA and Jeep along with the tow bar manufacturers working together to get a acceptable bar made .If this happens then i would hope that jeep would make some form of reimbursement with the regard to the tow bar etc. On a final note i did buy my Jeep from new in 2005 and was assured by the dealer at the time that this vehicle was able to tow and i still have the information in the brochure at the time even showing the tow bar from them.To now say that you are not allowed to tow and not really come up with a proper solution does take some swallowing where ever you are . .......cheers Paul.......keep up the good work Janet ........will keep reading and adding to forum .
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Can we not post Mr. Steve Zanlunghi's email address on here so that we all can send him a email thus putting pressure on him to do something? The more that can be brought to bear with him i would think the better for all of the kj owners here. We all have been treated in a very unprofessonal manner, and as you read the comments are having to fight this issue on our own. cheers, paul
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hi all again well janet is slowly getting somewhere. I have been down a different path and have also spoken this week to VOSA and to TOWTRUST tow bars. The managing director of towtrust has also spoken to VOSA and has got some measurements from somewhere to enable him to look at a NEW towbar for the kj .He is fully aware of the kj owners plight to date and appears to have taken it all on board .He is going to keep me updated on the issue .He is on vacation till the 1st dec but assures me that he will on his return look at the problem with a view to possible production of a new bar. All i can say at this point is this may be a lifeline to us all and at least we have someone who is trying to help which at this point is more than jeep has. I will keep you all updated as i get additional imformation.Tonight I received a phone call from Jeep Italy asking me to take part in a customer survey, which i found to be very funny indeed. I cannot repeat what i said to them on here but i think that someone got the message there. I don`t expect them to ring again. I am now going to wait on TOW-TRUST and also keep reading here. cheers, paul p.s.: keep up the good work Janet!
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Hi all with ref to the kj recall i took my vehicle to the dealers on friday 30th oct and YES it failed the test regarding the towbar fitted WITTER REMOVABLE HEAD VERSION. I requested to see the problem and found the tool supplied by jeep to be a joke....it looked like a lolly pop and is inserted between the nearest point of the towbar to the fuel tank. I had the tow bar removed and they fitted another bar just like a normal towbar but without the tow ball. (I will take a picture and and post it here.) Reading Janet's report to date i have had same experience with jeep customer service etc etc. I have been ringing around to see if any towbar is fit to be put on my kj jeep, to date none meet the test. I am still looking into the matter as i write this article and will be updating as i get additional useful information. Jeep to date has gone about this problem as far as i am concerned in a totally unprofessonal manner and are treating their customers very badly indeed. My jeep has only done 40,000 miles and was bought for towing my caravan.
