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Automotive Anti-Freeze/Coolant: More Is Not Better!

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#1 Moses Ludel

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 08:41 PM

We all know the value of anti-freeze/coolant. Anti-freeze is essential for preventing casting cracks when you park the vehicle in freezing weather. By contrast, the coolant properties raise the boiling point of the solution, making our modern engines tolerate higher operating temperatures, which can provide more complete combustion of fuel and cleaner tailpipe emissions. Higher pressure radiator caps also help raise the boiling point.

 

Every liquid cooled engine parked at below freezing temperatures requires anti-freeze. Specifications call for anti-freeze/coolant that is compatible with engine and cooling system metals. We follow these requirements to extend engine life and preserve the engine's castings, seals and gaskets, heater core and other vital cooling system components.

 

In addition to the type of anti-freeze/coolant, there is the manufacturers' recommendation about the concentration or "specific gravity" of the anti-freeze mixture. For cooling in summer and reasonable anti-freeze protection in the winter, most manufacturers settle for the traditional minus-34 degrees F anti-freeze protection as a year-round mixture.  A 50/50 mix of pure (straight) anti-freeze and distilled water will usually provide this degree of anti-freeze protection.  (See the label on the container.)

 

Some environments require even more antifreeze protection. However, most products limit the maximum anti-freeze protection to something like minus-60 degrees F or a maximum percentage like 70% antifreeze and 30% distilled water. 

 

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A closed thermostat (new Cummins thermostat shown at left) and too much anti-freeze/coolant are a recipe for excessive pressure in the cooling system. The right amount of anti-freeze/coolant will raise the boiling point of the coolant. Too much anti-freeze/coolant can actually cause boil over and coolant loss, damage to the radiator or heater core, and a reduction in anti-freeze protection...You wouldn't want to overheat—or freeze and crack—this Cummins 5.9L inline six cylinder diesel's head or cylinder block by running either too little or too much anti-freeze/coolant!

 

Warning: Do not attempt to increase the concentration of antifreeze for a temperature lower than advised on the label. Running a stronger concentration of anti-freeze than this will not provide better anti-freeze protection. In fact, with too much anti-freeze/coolant, the freezing protection decreases. Overly high concentrations or pure anti-freeze may lead to cracking a casting in freezing temperatures. As for boil over, the boiling point actually drops with too much anti-freeze concentration. The system may boil over—either during normal warm-up phase of the engine or at normal engine operating conditions!

 

Anti-freeze is designed to mix with distilled water. If you run straight anti-freeze, there is a likelihood of high cooling system pressure during warm-up with the thermostat closed. The engine may also boil over within normal operating temperaturesIn freezing weather, you can crack the block, a head or other castings by running either too much anti-freeze in solution or pure anti-freeze!

 

Pure anti-freeze is not to be confused with "pre-mixed" anti-freeze coolant. "Pre-mix" is typically distilled water and anti-freeze mixed before packaging at a 50/50 ratio.  This "pre-mixed" anti-freeze coolant is usually good for minus-34 degrees F protection in the winter and a boiling point of 260-plus degrees F in the summer—with the right pressure cap on the radiator or system. 

 

Boiling point increases with the use of a specific radiator cap pressure, usually 17 PSI or so for most modern engines. If the cap pressure is lower than the recommended OEM cap, the boiling point will drop accordingly.  For this reason, it is important that your radiator cap is in top condition and holding proper pressure. Understand that a vintage vehicle with a much lower pressure radiator/cooling system cap will have a lower boiling point than 260 degrees F, even with 50/50 mix of anti-freeze/coolant.

 

So, make sure your engine's cooling system is protected against both boil over and freezing. But don't use more anti-freeze than the mixture for the lowest recommended temperature protection on the anti-freeze/coolant container. (Typically, this mixture limit is indicated on the container's label.) Know whether the anti-freeze is pre-mix or pure anti-freeze. Make sure you allow the coolant to mix thoroughly before reading the protection level with an anti-freeze hydrometer or specific gravity tester.

 

Too little anti-freeze/coolant is dangerous and leaves the engine unprotected against cold freezing. Too much anti-freeze/coolant can also lower protection against both overheating (boil over) and cold freezing. Anti-freeze requires the right amount of water to work properly. Read labels carefully.

 

As a footnote, we're talking about the anti-freeze/coolant in the radiator and overflow tank. Always check the anti-freeze at the radiator after the engine has circulated coolant thoroughly, including through the heater core; to avoid severe skin and eye burns, remove the radiator cap only after the engine has cooled down completely! Loosen the cap slowly, stop at the first notch, and release all pressure before removing the cap.

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Prestone or equivalent tester like the one at left can be purchased for $5 or so at any auto supply. If you follow directions, this hydrometer can be accurate and a quick test for anti-freeze protection. At right is a Stant cooling system pressure tester for the radiator/cooling system and also for testing cap pressure. A Stant diagnostic tool kit like this has been in my tool set since 1981, and it still works great. The cooling system pressure tester has a variety of uses and is an excellent troubleshooting tool.

 

Mix the anti-freeze solution in the overflow bottle to the same mixture you have in the radiator. After several complete heat-up and cool down cycles, the anti-freeze/coolant in the engine, radiator and overflow bottle should reach a uniform mixture. At that point, measure specific gravity with the anti-freeze hydrometer to get an accurate read on the protection level. Test the radiator cap's holding pressure with a pressure tester if available. If in doubt, install a new radiator cap.

 

Periodically, test anti-freeze/coolant protection at both the radiator filler neck (engine completely cooled down first!) and at the overflow bottle. If the cooling system has been transferring coolant back and forth—cycling from cold to hot and back to cold over a long time—a quick hydrometer test at the overflow tank can be accurate.

 

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 01:59 PM

Well that clears up the theory "More is Better" lol. I'm a big fan of the 50/50 mix in the jug. It is made with the distilled water so no chances of mixing it with tap water.

 

 

    What is your take on coolant additives like Water Wetter?


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#3 Moses Ludel

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 05:04 PM

Hi, Megatron!  Glad to see your post...

 

I'm okay with additives that do not react with or impact anti-freeze/coolant and will not corrode the cooling system or cause it to leak. Any additive needs to stay in the cooling system and not create seepage.  Electrolysis has been a big issue and there were record numbers of heater cores and radiators a decade ago that had issues with metal problems and chemicals. On that note, make sure you use factory recommended coolant with the right chemistry!!!

 

I would make note that the manufacturer of Water Wetter has a lot to lose if the product does not meet its claims. I have not personally tested Water Wetter and would welcome more information and comments from other members or data from the manufacturer. That's what a "forum" is truly about!

 

I do have a product at the shop that I want to test: Motor Max.  It's from the same folks who developed the Cold Fire extinguishing systems, an effect and non-toxic approach to fire suppression and the only affordable extinguishers capable of putting out a burning butyl rubber tire fire. I have several Cold Fire extinguishers at the studio/shop. For those interested, here is my commentary in an HD video about the Cold Fire extinguishers:  http://www.4wdmechan...inguishers.html.

 

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Once again for Fire Freeze, Motor Max is non-toxic, biodegradable and non-corrosive. I'm liking that! Tested in professional racing, including NASCAR, the product is considered a major cooling system enhancement. Claims include:

 

*Eliminates Overheating

*Supercharges Air Conditioning Output

*Enhances Engine Performance

*Prolongs Engine Life

 

Without detracting from Water Wetter in any way, I'm focusing on Motor Max for the moment and will update forum members and the magazine viewers shortly. I will thoroughly test this product at the high desert this summer. If you have any experience with Water Wetter, please share. I'd be particularly interested with positive results like engine or automatic transmission cooling improvements from this product tested on its own, without simultaneous additional upgrades. Towing, heavy loading, trail or rock crawling? Anyone have experience here?

 

I'd like to see a broad discussion on the cooling subject from other members. Cooling is essential and heat kills engines and transmissions. If we can keep engines and transmissions cooler, like our 5.9L Cummins diesels and the 48RE transmissions, it's money in the bank! Powertrain life expectancy can soar when heat is kept at bay...

 

Any testimonials on Water Wetter or Motor Max out there?

 

Moses

 

  



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Posted 28 January 2014 - 08:46 PM

I, too, like the 50/50 premix anti-freeze/coolant, it assures a chemically pure solution with pure, distilled water.  Fortunately, and this must be true for your climate, the -34 degrees F protection is adequate.  I do recall starting vehicles in the early '70s at -27 degrees F, that is extreme for Western Nevada, common for Eastern Nevada at places like the Ruby Valley SE of Elko...I recall a report of -54 degrees F at the Ruby Valley.

 

I ran heavy equipment for S.J. Groves (Local 3 of the Operating Engineers) on the I-80 bypass of Winnemucca in 1975.  The temp dipped to -12 degrees F on the 12th of December, with the wind blowing 30 mph.  (That was a good one, we had no cab protection, no reverse fans on the Cat equipment, and the swing/graveyard shift was 10 hours.)  The Nevada Highway Department shut the job down when frost plunged 18-inches into freshly spread, non-compacted damp soil.  "Rip it all up or come back in the Spring!" was the call. 

 

Three months before, there were boxcars parked on the siding, packed with Chevron Delo 400 engine oil and boxes of anti-freeze.  Funny the things you remember, those boxcars and the 134 or so gallons per shift of diesel fuel that a working 1693 Cat engine would burn through: an 893 cubic inch inline six, 1090 ft. lbs. peak torque at 1000 rpm in heavy equipment tune—try that for a quick torque rise.  You get a hint why I like the Cummins ISB engines!  

 

It's perfectly fine to get distilled water and pure anti-freeze and do your own brew for freezing temps to the lower registry of the manufacturer's recommendation.  (As I've shared, there's a limit to how far down the protection and concentration of anti-freeze/coolant can go.)   Mixing yourself is a bit more work, but for places like Fairbanks, Alaska, you get no choice...and use a block heater religiously!

 

Moses

 

P.S.:  Anyone need to know how to dress for cold weather work?  I'd be very pleased to share or compare notes.





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